HSF Coordination Meeting #213, 2 September 2021

Present: Graeme Stewart, Josh McFayden, Attila Krasznahorkay, Kyle Knoepfel, Michel Jouvin, Pere Mato, Ben Morgan, Dorothea vom Bruch, Krzysztof Genser, Mark Neubauer, Caterina Doglioni, Eduardo Rodrigues, Allison Hall, Philippe Gras, Liz Sexton-Kennedy, Alexander Moreno, Andrei Gheata, Gordon Watts, Jerry Ling, Michael Hernandez, Nicole Skidmore, Sudhir Malik, Torre Wenaus, Daniel Elvira, Benedikt Hegner, Aman Goel

News, general matters, announcements

Julia Discussion

See slides on the agenda.


HL-LHC Review Phase 2

We now have the first version of most documents:

Time for comments has basically passed, so if you want to give further feedback please do that ASAP.

LHCC Referees Meeting and Closed Session

LHCC Referees meeting was this week. Slides are attached to the agenda. Many thanks to everyone who gave input.


HSF Letters

KISS - German Machine Learning Project

Simulation ML project applying for funding in Germany. The project is broad, interdisciplinary, and aligned well with what we laid out for simulation in the CWP.

We distributed the following information and a letter of support was given last week.

Fellowship Proposal

We were approached by a colleague asking for support for their fellowship application in the UK. This is to work on computational improvements to event generators and is aligned with the challenges that we identified.

There was general concern expressed in discussions that the HSF should not support individual applications in a competitive setting, where the HSF is not structured to be able to judge particular individuals. Our role should be to support community efforts, thus should be at the level of support for projects and consortia working on common software topics.

Our support for certain work topics is already made clear via the CWP and other HSF documents, such as the Generators paper, which can be freely cited and we encourage applicants to do that. Anyone can be approached to write a reference letter for candidates and is also free to mention HSF papers in respect of the proposed work, but should not do that in an HSF role.

NorCC Meeting

Graeme was invited to give a talk on the international software development landscape in HEP to the NorCC meeting (new umbrella organisation of all Norwegian CERN activities), Friday 3 September.

Draft slides - comments welcome.

Google Summer of Code

We had 27 students this year, of whom 25 completed successfully (93%).

An EP newsletter article has been prepared by Graeme and Andrei.

Working Group Updates

Data Analysis

Detector Simulation

Reconstruction and Software Triggers


Software Training

3rd HEP C++ Course and Hands-on Training

Event Generators



HSF Domain Name

Ticket still open, no recent movement.


We are currently working on a funding proposal (EU COST) in the context of the “Software Institute for Data Intensive Sciences”, aiming to bridge the gap between computer scientists and natural science software engineers. The “grand theme” of the proposal will be around the topic of “software sustainability”.

For a successful proposal it is useful to include participants also from “inclusive target” countries (mostly eastern European countries). In case you have contacts in this direction please get in contact with Graeme or Stefan.

Next Meeting

We restart our regular 2 week cadence, next meeting 16 September.