HSF Coordination Meeting #229, 12 May 2022

Present/Contributing: Graeme Stewart, Ben Morgan, Kyle Knoepfel, Efe Yazgan, Nicole Skidmore, Allie Hall, Caterina Doglioni, Wouter Deconinck, Paul Laycock, Krzysztof Genser, Michel Jouvin, Stefan Roiser, Liz Sexton-Kennedy, Pere Mato, Serhan Mete, Pete Elmer, Jin Huang, Killian Lieret, Marc Paterno, Mark Neubauer, Michael Hernandez, Daniel Elvira, Valentin Volkl

Apologies/Contributing: Benedikt Hegner, Andrea Valassi, Torre Wenaus, Markus Diefenthaler

News, general matters, announcements

POSE Submission

NSF have a funding call for “Pathways to Open Source Ecosystems”. A proposal has been put together by Pete Elmer, Allie Hall and Carlos Maltzahn, which would develop a strategy whereby the HSF could engage more directly with industry.

A letter of collaboration was prepared and was supported by the HSF Coordination group.

The meeting approved support for this.

If funded, this would start January 2023.

Workshops in 2022

Analysis Ecosystems Workshop

23-25 May: https://indico.cern.ch/e/aew2

Detector Simulation on GPU Community Meeting

Google Summer of Code / Season of Docs

GSoC - ranked list of proposals has been prepared. Have asked for ~28 slots (basically, all proposals where we have a strong candidate).

GSoD - some credible interest shown in the proposal.

HSF History Paper

Liz wrote some text into the Overleaf document, following up on Andrea’s comment, and notified the list of coordinators. The text is surrounded by a comment with the initials LSK. So far I have heard back from Andrea that he is satisfied with it, and have had no other comments.

Graeme has added the major contributors to the text, viz. Graeme, Liz and Pete, as contact editors.

Ready to go? Post to arXiv was favoured.


Graeme gave talk on “Sustainability and future of software frameworks”. The talk was well received with FA representatives, including the European Commission, present.

Thanks to everyone that gave inputs.

Working Group Updates

Data Analysis

Detector Simulation

Reconstruction and Software Trigger

Software Tools and Packaging

Event Generators




Software Training

Other Interest and Activity Areas


Next Compute Accelerator Forum meeting will be on June 8, with updates on CERN’s GPU infrastructure and on SYCL.



The ORCID account for the HSF stopped working for managing the HSF Zenodo community. We do still have access via a shared account hsf-editorial-secretariat - Graeme, Michel and Eduardo (at least) have the password.

There is 1 pending submission to the HSF community, Set of N integers between -30 and 30 with sum and cubic sum up to zero for 4<N<13. We don’t find this too relevant and we don’t know the author, so we are minded to refuse it (unless, e.g., the generators conveners think it’s worthwhile?).

HSF Mail in Spam?

Graeme has been following this with CERN IT (RQF2007631). The problem is that messages forwarded to not_junk@office365.microsoft.com are not appearing in the dashboard that the CERN admins have. Microsoft support has not been great, e.g., suggesting an Outlook plugin (not everyone uses Outlook) that doesn’t even work for the CERN servers (as they are self-hosted).

Some hints that forwarding from Thunderbird is working better. We do encourage people to check their Junk E-Mail folder and forward email as an attachment to not_junk@office365.microsoft.com.

The issue is now being escalated by CERN IT.


Graeme setup shadow lists for the coordination group and WG convener group, viz., hsf-coordination@cern.ch and hsf-wg-conveners@cern.ch. No intention to switch to these permanently, but at least they can be used more reliably to contact people until the problem is fixed.

GPU Hackathon

Got in contact with one of the https://gpuhackathons.org organizers in Helmholtz. Idea came up to organize one of those hackathons at CERN. Question if there is interest from within our community? Please contact Stefan Roiser in case.


In a recent Editorial Board for Computing & SW for Big Science (CSBS) journal, we got the last update of CSBS growth which is very good, with 2 topical issues in 2021. CSBS is now indexed by most of the main indexes (Astrophysics Datasystem, INSPIRE, SCOPUS…) with generally a very good cite scores that makes attractive to publish in CSBS!

Next milestone is to be indexed by the Web of Science which updates its list of indexed journal in June…

Next Meeting

Next coordination meeting is scheduled for 9 June (we skip 26 May as it is the Ascension holiday, observed by CERN and many European countries).